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When would you vote a deal negative?

submitted on February 1, 2011 by orangearrows in "Buxr Website / Contests"
Just curious one why someone would vote a deal negative. Is it because there was a cheaper price available or just because you feel its not a great deal?
 

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  • 101410
    arzkar
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    Posted by arzkar on February 1, 2011
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    If I vote a deal negagative it is because there was a cheaper price or better coupon available ...
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    • onkarkulkarni
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      Posted by onkarkulkarni on February 1, 2011
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      I agree. This is one of the safest and trusted criterion to vote down a deal. We already have other options like marking a deal low value because of it's limited availibility. I agree that it's not fair to vote down a deal just because it's not available nationally. Buxr is a place where the best of best deals are submitted and if some deal manages to win the contest only to discover later that a better price was available elsewhere is not fair to the contest. We have ceased to vote down deals in a while but it's required to keep the competition healthy and competitive.
  • 101412
    equipurple
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    Posted by equipurple on February 1, 2011
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    Great question, OA. Most often it is the value the deal represents versus the marketplace. Sometimes it is the quality of the item itself.

    The other day, there was a deal for a Topsy Turvy Tomato Plant for $10.47. http://www.buxr.com/deal/topsy.....nter_75809 There had been a deal a few days prior for $5ish. Further, those are regularly available at Job Lots and discount store for less than $10. So to order that one at $10.47 represented no value, no bargain...no deal.

    Similar was the water bottle deal for $4.79. http://www.buxr.com/deal/stain.....tles_74098 These are regularly at Walmart, Target, and job lots for $3-5. No bargain here, and pretty outrageous to say that these have a regular price of $19.

    Another deal I voted negative was a coupon from Advanced Auto Parts. They had (have?) a flurry of coupon codes. This one http://www.buxr.com/deal/advan.....more_74685 was in direct competition to others. If you were spending less than $350, this one saved you less than the competing coupons. Why use that code when others were better?

    Another was the Candy Math e-book, http://www.buxr.com/deal/candy.....load_74508 which I thought was a poor item. I downloaded it and found it poorly developed, lacking images (for a book about candy!), poor production value. It was not even worth the download time and space for me. There are far better items available (at the library if you don't want to buy them).
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    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 1, 2011
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      See that's what I was afraid of. Now if you FEEL that it's not a good deal since you don't need it - this becomes tricky.

      A deal might have been cheaper a few days back - but If I were to get one today - is it the cheapest price around online? Yeah in-store deals are there - but they are not consistent across the US. You have have something in your walmart store - I may not have the same item. Also brands may vary.

      Also I am not a in-store shopped much. I get everything online - everything from toothpaste to food to juices to apparel. So for me - I need a comparison online.

      I rather have a deal listed here rather than not being listed at all. This whole idea of negative voting may result in posters not listing deals at all since they feel it might get voted down. Not a good strategy and bad for buxr. If a user feels its not HOT --- skip it. If you find a cheaper price of it online ( a credible seller) - I would vote it down too. But just cos it's not a deal to you and it gets pushed down.

      The other day I posted a deal from travelocity - it was a 10% coupon - it had some conditions - you had to use your AMEX card and spend $1500. Then you could use the coupon. Now I know it did not add value for everyone - but if Someone met that criteria - it would benefit that person. Right now -- I think it would get voted down which I think would not be fair.

      Multiple coupons for the same brand can be coupled but that's upon the admins.

      Since on BUXR deal submission is a contest - a negative vote can be something which the posted feels threatened by. I been here a while and seen it happen a few times. I don't blame the posters since they are spending time and effort here. It's hard to compare it to other websites since it's not a contest there.

      I think negative voting button should be taken off all together. If the deal is lukewarm to you - just skip it. The best deals will rise to the top no matter what. RATHER make the negative button a neutral button with mandatory input - that way the users will be able to chip in their thoughts and whoever views the deal will get the idea if the deal is good or bad.

      Smile Smile
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    • equipurple
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      Posted by equipurple on February 1, 2011
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      A deal might have been cheaper a few days back - but If I were to get one today - is it the cheapest price around online?

      Are deals that time sensitive? How often are deals likely? Is it likely as spring approaches that topsy turveys will continue to be cheaper more often?

      Also I am not a in-store shopped much.

      There are many like you and many who shop mostly in-store. balanced for everyone.

      I rather have a deal listed here rather than not being listed at all.
      So would I, but I reserve the right and responsibility to say that I don't think it's a good deal. If people are here just to win money, then they are at fault and not participating in the community fairly. If you are here to have fun, to find deals easily, to comment and participate, then it all works.

      neutral button with mandatory input
      No one will do that. There are multiple masters to be served.
    • 101441
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 1, 2011
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      #Are deals that time sensitive? How often are deals likely? Is it likely as spring approaches that topsy turveys will continue to be cheaper more often?

      Well the Walmart deal for Rubbermaid - was $10 - cheapest around - why NEGG it? Fair for the poster? Good for BUXR? FAIR FOR THE DEAL? A person looking for that deal might not buy it.

      #There are many like you and many who shop mostly in-store. balanced for everyone.

      - Agree - but does not mean an online price is a bad one.

      #So would I, but I reserve the right and responsibility to say that I don't think it's a good deal. If people are here just to win money, then they are at fault and not participating in the community fairly. If you are here to have fun, to find deals easily, to comment and participate, then it all works.
      - Agree again - but how is negging deals going to help prevent that. When Pablos posted the walmart deal for $10 9 rubbermaid) all Pablos checked was that it's the cheapest price around. Pablos was being fair and honest.

      #Neutral button - No one will do that. There are multiple masters to be served.

      - Did not get that. If there is no neg button and only a neutral button - then only way you can convey your vote is either voting up or neutral. Votes on a deal does not count towards any points - only if you were to win the deal of the day do you get any points.
  • 101415
    HouTex
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    Posted by HouTex on February 1, 2011
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    I'd like to add one more thought - if you're voting a deal down because the same exact item is cheaper at another store, please include a link to the cheaper item's page so others can see the better deal.
  • 101431
    orangearrows
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    Posted by orangearrows on February 1, 2011
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    For example - this deal

    http://www.buxr.com/deal/rubbe.....lids_75931

    it's not a bad deal at all - it's not spectacular since it's the same price as before - but if I am searching for that item today - I would want to buy it since it's the cheapest price around. If I see a bunch of RED - I might think it's not a good price - for a new deal hunter - it will give the wrong impression since something NEGATIVE IS BAD .
  • 101433
    orangearrows
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    Posted by orangearrows on February 1, 2011
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    Again - if it's not good to you does not mean it's not a deal for someone else - Yan + Admins - really would want to think about it - otherwise it's going to be Commenting World War III out there. I seen part one and two - it's aint fun and users/admins waste time on something which can be avoided.
  • 101437
    equipurple
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    Posted by equipurple on February 1, 2011
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    The problem is, OA, that no one is willing to take a stand and make a comment. The previous rules were more necessary without critical mass. Now that perhaps we have it, the strategy of winning contests is superior to the honest effort of finding and posting good deals and voting honestly on them.
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    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 1, 2011
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      I agree - that;s why I propose a neutral button ( instead of the negative button) - that way you don't get to be evil but you get your point across.

      Negging a deal turns off users and posters. At least am turned off by the whole idea that I am going to post $5 off $25 CVS coupon ( which is frequent- but will be handy if someone is looking for it today) - and get NEGGED for it.

      Many a times - I see repetitive coupons - but I know I can count on BUXR to have them all the time since people are posting them. You never know when you might need it. It's better here and not at all. If you turn away people from posting them just cause they are low value - it;s not going to send the right message and for me

      I will just have to look elsewhere.
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    • equipurple
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      Posted by equipurple on February 1, 2011
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      I can agree to that, and perhaps that can be perpetuated. A frequent deal should not be negged just because it is frequent. It can (and should?) be commented that this is an almost ongoing deal. But you are right, it is not bad because it is frequent.
      But from the perspective of someone looking for a super deal, it is not that because it is common.
    • 101443
    • laaya
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      Posted by laaya on February 1, 2011
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      I agree with your complete analysis. But, members are the one who is giving thumps up for any good deals, same way we are the one who is bringing down. As a member we have to bring something new instead of throwing same old deals
    • 101447
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 1, 2011
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      Well if it's a recurring deal - say a $5 coupon - I would still want to know about it since I never know when I need it - it may not be hot and the community should be able to take care of it. But it should not happen that the deal got negged and then deal posters are just wary of posting that coupon. The buxr community will be at a loss if it ends up being that.
    • 101449
    • pablos17
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      Posted by pablos17 on February 1, 2011
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      So does that mean that we need to neg vote all the recurring deals such as $10 off $25 Office Max, and so many others out there that are similar of which I myself rely on Buxr for such deal alerts and I want them to be posted?
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    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 1, 2011
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      @laaya - Thumbing down a deal probably is not the best way to force new deals. I mean - I would still like to have the $10 off $50 office max coupon as and when it's out there. And if someone is doing that - they should not be penalized for it. And If I vote positive for it - and it ends up being the worst deal of the deal - I should not be penalized for it.

      I personally don't have much use for the Joann coupons but am glad someone is posting them whenever they are out there. Am sure people searching on the internet looking for a Joann coupon - know that they can rely on BUXR to have the most up to date Joann coupon and don't have to look elsewhere.

      I feel the same way about Office Max coupons - I come straight here - now if they were not being posted - I would look elsewhere. How would that get help new deals?

      It will only discourage posters and will result in leess deals being posted and even less interaction (feedback, voting etc.)
  • 101448
    deathbynosleep
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    Posted by deathbynosleep on February 1, 2011
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    I still feel as there should be a better way than voting for deals. I remember getting negative votes for deals, because the deal was not available in all 50 states. Now it seems these deals are good to be posted. There is always some sort of favoritism also. May be voted negative for a new comer, but not an old timer. Which is why I've stopped posting deals, and only vote on a very select few deals.
  • 101482
    clover
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    Posted by clover on February 1, 2011
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    I don't want to vote down deals but it seems like there are too many people just throwing anything up there that really isn't that great of a deal. I really do like this site and was introduced to it by a friend. I have gotten some great deals and I hope I have helped people out with the pet food coupons that I have posted. Times are tough and because of the gas situation companies are passing it on to us the consumer so anything that helps at the register is good but enough of just posting stuff to get your name up there everyday.
  • 101539
    anand
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    Posted by anand on February 1, 2011
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    First time i'm hearing this about best and worst deals concept. I want to see that how it looks like Mr Green
  • 101568
    Avatar_g
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    Posted by sareece on February 2, 2011
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    See here is the deal, what may be a "bad" deal for one is not always a bad deal to another. So by making it so people are going to lose "points" because they vote up what the majority votes down... is just ridiculous I agree, but this is going to be a war. Just because a deal is close to being a duplicate i.e.- The Office Depot deals for X off a X purchase, the JCP deals for 20% off, the Target coupon codes for 5% or 10% off (which ALL are CONSTANT!) does not make it a "bad" deal.

    Yesterday someone voted down a hanging tomato planter because it was only like $5 off... that is not a bad deal. Maybe the person could not appreciate the deal because they really don't know that in the Spring those go for $15-$20, but it does NOT make a bad deal, it just happened to be useless to them, maybe it wasa not enough off for them, who really knows.

    The example deal OrangeArrows posted earlier was voted down because it has been posted at different times. Um yeah... AND? That was expired and today its back. Again that does not make it a bad deal.

    Personally I saw nothing wrong with the way things WERE because the "hot" deals were voted up constantly with 25+ positive votes. I voted up most everything except the stupid ridiculous deals or that I thought, but I did not vote them down. Idk, I am thinking about cashing out and going along my way from all of this because its just stupid IMHO!
  • 101601
    josetring
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    Posted by josetring on February 2, 2011
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    seeing red is never good. Worst deal of the day, a silly idea. Rather spend that effort on something else. I wonder how the WDOTD is going to help buxr.
  • 101604
    josetring
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    Posted by josetring on February 2, 2011
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    Creators of buxr should stop trying to be apple. Let this roll like android.
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    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011 [reply] 0 0
      Hail the Droid Mr Green
  • 101690
    deby32953
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    Posted by deby32953 on February 2, 2011
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    I don't like the idea of anything negative. I'm still deeling w/retributions of my 1st weeks here when I down-voted a lot thinking that's what the instructions were asking & telling why. It was very hard to recoup from that, they even wrote a whole entire d.t. about ME using my name. There's a poweruser that still won't vote for me unless the deal is obviously going to win & only for the 10 pts. I get my feelings hurt easily especially when my comments get down-voted only for retribution's sake. I don't think I can deal w/the stress of this new "Buxr" & think admin might be just trying to stir thinks up. I've always HATED competition and this make it just that much more vicious! I agree with you Sareece. Already cashed out.
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    • Avatar_w
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      Posted by sareece on February 2, 2011
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      Sorry to hear that Deby. I am still holding on waiting to see if the admins are going to hear me and the few others... although I am not holding my breath. I have raved on and on about Buxr and linked it on my facebook and blog several times, but I believe that is going to end.
    • 101735
    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on February 2, 2011
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      Look at the brighter side of it. We still award 6-7 best deals each day and just one worst. So it is a net positive overall. Smile

      Not convinced? Here is another point, we award $10 for the best deal but we don't take $10 away for the worst deal. Wink

      This is a joke of course, but now as I think about it, I should probably look closer at the idea Twisted
    • 101738
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
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      Getting the worst deal of the day is cool - but if it's due to bulk neg voting ( happened in the past) - it leaves a bad feeling for that one person. That one person may not feel like submitting anymore OR participating - OR may start neggin other deals in retaliation. You seen it all before. I had 7 worst deals - I know half of them were due to favoritism issues. That does not happen anymore - but why let it start.

      Any advantage to BUXR doing this move?
    • 101876
    • deby32953
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      Posted by deby32953 on February 2, 2011 [reply] 0 0
      That's pretty funny, Yan. I think it'd going to cause a lot of hurt feelings. So we cannot get pts taken away for neg voting? I still won't be able to do it. Only 1 person who votes neg for me now (& others) & just to be mean. Y'all can guess who & I hat to see those red lines! P***** me off! And holds grudge forever 7 not just for me.
    • 101879
    • deby32953
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      Posted by deby32953 on February 2, 2011
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      "...it leaves a bad feeling for that one person. That one person may not feel like submitting anymore OR participating - OR may start neggin other deals in retaliation." YESSSSS!! That's what I was trying to say!! I know I would quit if I got voted worst of day. I feel bad when non-examples are shown in d.t. w/the real submitters name on deals like recently, showing ex. of bad deal topics. That shouldn't have happened. I even felt sorry for midget!
  • 101734
    deathbynosleep
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    Posted by deathbynosleep on February 2, 2011
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    Sort of off topic here, but I also do not like when I submit a deal and watch it sit in pending for hours while the "power users" push theirs through immediately. I still also feel names should be blocked. This way nobody knows the person they are voting for.
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    • sandyshore
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      Posted by sandyshore on February 2, 2011
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      Well the name block would only work if we didn't have personalities and our own style. After being here for a while you can spot a certain person's posts without the aid of their screen name.
    • 101741
    • Avatar_w
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      Posted by sareece on February 2, 2011 [reply] 2 2
      And another sort of off topic. Some of the admins WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS (but we all know!) are pretty rude and just outright jerks. Like telling people to go find a corner to pout in... since we are off topic.
    • 101747
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
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      Totally agree on that.
    • 101882
    • deby32953
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      Posted by deby32953 on February 2, 2011
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      SAREECE! Finally someone else but ME notices?? I've kept a collection of these comments & people outside Buxr would be SHOCKED to see how we're talked to here. And when I've voiced my complaints to such comments, I will get 4 rejects in row, etc. as retribution.
  • 101736
    deathbynosleep
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    Posted by deathbynosleep on February 2, 2011
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    Example of something that a couple years ago would have been 100% voted down. http://www.buxr.com/deal/quick.....ired_76066

    Only available in very very limited area. Should it be voted down though? It's a great deal for the people that live in that area.
  • 101789
    sandyshore
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    Posted by sandyshore on February 2, 2011
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    When I hear WDOTD, I see it as deals that hold little value for the general public - examples are an item marked to a low price that has bad customer reviews, it happens more than you know because some people vote strictly on price. I started several weeks ago checking reveiws myself and watched a few deals soar because of price. A deal that has missing information or was posted without checking out the deal. I've seen two posts in the past several months that got Best Deal of the Day only to find out that they weren't even valid deals. I've seen many deals not vetted any more by the community. People vote on face value without looking to see if something is a good or real deal. I'm not sure of my opinion on the WDOTD title or value I've not seen it in action but I do think change was needed and I'm willing to see how this works before jumping on a bandwagon.
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    • mooncow728
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      Posted by mooncow728 on February 2, 2011
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      I agree with you here. I just think that there needs to be a clear cut reason that admins choose a deal as the worst one. I disagree with their pick of the last due to it being a luxury item. I think there are proper reasons to say a deal is a bad like a better price available, bad reviews, having to go through a long process to only obtain a possibility, and I'm sure there are more I haven't thought of. My biggest concern with this new policy is just that it's going to cause people to not post certain deals. I know I've hesitated in the past because the percent off was just not that high only to see it posted by someone else who wins best deal for it.
    • 101808
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
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      Agree on "clear cut reason that admins choose a deal as the worst one"
    • 101885
    • deby32953
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      Posted by deby32953 on February 2, 2011 [reply] 0 0
      mooncow, been there, done that 100's of times. I'll see it soar & think, "I had that code yesterday!" but thought it wasn't such a big deal. What I hate is still, after 9 1/2 months, having to sit on codes forever, like I have 3 Kohl's codes now I cannot submit w/o verification & sure enough a p.u. will come along & post! Or mine is kicked & then a p.u. will submit after seeing in queue! I've had to flag codes that were listed as 40% off site when they were actually 40% off 1 item 'cause no one checks it, just votes!
    • 101887
    • deby32953
      professor
      Posted by deby32953 on February 2, 2011
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      orange, like that will ever happen. I think admin is trying to egg people on, stir up the pot, etc. but will end up pissing people off & causing a lot of hurt feelings.
    • 101954
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 3, 2011
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      Yeah - what I meant was that if Admins wanted to implement the editors daily deals - they should have guidelines of items which should not be posted. If users area aware of it - we will skip those deals. Simple.

      Also Admins need to give the ability of getting out of a deal in case the deal goes dead due to it being SUPER hot. I see that the RENUZIT CONES deal got WDOTD .
  • 154985
    YanBz
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    Posted by YanBz on July 4, 2012
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    It is a pretty old thread but a very current topic. Bumping it up for everyone's attention. By the way, there was recently an interesting exchange in the comments to this deal that I think is worthy looking through:

    http://www.buxr.com/deal/asus-.....s-7_115188
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    • Goofy_Girl
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      Posted by Goofy_Girl on July 4, 2012 [reply] 0 0
      Oops...back to the negatives....

      I don't recall ever voting down a deal myself. I've never seen a deal so bad that it deserved a negative. The BUXR team is pretty good at filtering the cr*p out.

      My NOT VOTING on a deal is considered a "neutral" or "not very good."

      However, if the ability to leave a negative stays, then I think there should be some explanation required.
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    • clover
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      Posted by clover on July 4, 2012
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      I found myself in a recent situation along with many others for voting up a deal that really wasn't a deal. I saw the same thing yesterday. Sometimes it takes a negative to get others to read the deal before voting. I posted a comment and was trying to give the submitter the opportunity to cancel their submission. It didn't happen...a negative was given and then a "low value" was posted.
  • 155013
    Goofy_Girl
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    Posted by Goofy_Girl on July 4, 2012 [reply] 0 0
    I'd like to respond to deathbynosleep's comment from 2/2/2011. I've been wondering the same exact thing. Why aren't deal submissions anonymous? It would make more sense and solve some problems we're having here. Smile
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    • Goofy_Girl
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      Posted by Goofy_Girl on July 4, 2012 [reply] 0 0
      Oh yeah, I'd also like to respond to the person who complained about some people being able to submit their own deals A.S.A.P. while others have to wait.

      Well, there is a simple solution to that. For every one of their deals they want to submit, they have to submit one other person's deal in waiting (if there are any.)

      :)
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    • sandyshore
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      Posted by sandyshore on July 4, 2012
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      Goofy Girl, in response to that comment. Let's just say I verify deals often, and I'm not alone in doing so, BUT many times I find too many problems and questions about a deal to just verify. Most of us do verify when we can.

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