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Upcoming changes to the monthly deal contests

submitted on February 1, 2011 by YanBz in "Buxr Website / Contests"
I was going to announce this in our weekly newsletter but considering we just had one and the next issue is in 6 days I will post them in the discussion board. So here are the changes:

- Power users will be limited to 20 deal submissions daily. The daily limit for other members stays at 10 deals (but can vary up and down depending on your reject percentage).
- We will no longer award the voter points for voting up other members topics/comments. The poster will still receive points when their topic/comment gets votes.
- Point amounts for various contest activities change. You can see them all listed on the side bar of the monthly contest page.
- In addition to the Editor's Pick for the best deal we will now "award" a daily Editor's Pick for the worst deal

The changes are effective starting February 1, 2011. I will be happy to answer your questions or concerns in the comments.
 

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  • 101366
    DebsFreebies
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    Posted by DebsFreebies on February 1, 2011
    [reply] 4 0
    The changes aren't surprising. I think it is the responsibility of all of us to rely on our internal integrity to uphold the true spirit of Buxr.
      101728
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      Changes made on how to get comment points is great. Also limit to daily deals for a submitter - well that's debatable. Hate to see a deal out there not being submitted cos submitter ran out of daily quota.

      But what's with the WDOTD? Why bring it back? Hoping that it will limit not-so-great deals?
    • 101730
    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      Here is a simple answer. We want to challenge you a little bit more. We want to bring a bit of extreme into the game.

      I personally think it is not so much fun when everyone just votes up everyone else's deals. You get cozy and complacent.

      As my wife (who is a kindergarden teacher) would say, you need to keep stretching your "elastic fantastic brains" Wink

      http://www.littlepicklepress.com/book_brain.html
    • 101743
    • orangearrows
      professor
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      What is the harm in cozy ? It works. Doesn't it? I feel submitters are comfortable.

      Elastic brains -- do you think it applies to deal submitters here?

      I remember Oberon - was more like WW-III

      But it's you website - you can have it whatever way you like. This is just brainstorming to help make this better.
  • 101369
    onkarkulkarni
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    Posted by onkarkulkarni on February 1, 2011
    [reply] 6 0
    I like the change to the deal limit for the power users since this would give a fair chance of winning to the newer members or non-power users of Buxr. The daily worst deal award might trigger the negative voting wars again! How would you choose it?
      101375
    • vectra5
      professor
      3 1 1
      Posted by vectra5 on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 3 1
      I was wondering the same thing...What will factor in selecting a worst deal of the day.. And yes, I can see negative voting wars as well.. How about each user can vote down only 1 deal per day.. This way there will be less abuse and less fighting..
    • 101378
    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 4 0
      We will look at the value each deal brings to shoppers and will try to pick the deal that offers the least value. Just like with the best deal, we will not have the worst deal picked every day, but we will try to choose it most of the days.
    • 101383
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 4 0
      Honestly, you guys have even stopped voting down blatantly lousy deals, so really. We are doing you all a favor. However, if some members elect to start voting down deals that are lousy, we will look at those pattens for a degree of guidance when selecting the Worst Deal of the Day. In which case you all are helping us choose. Smile

      Ideally, there should be no "neg-wars" as long a members explain their position for voting down with a logical basis, and so long as members can avoid taking it personally. Really, its just part of the contest game.
  • 101377
    CouponNut
    deity
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    12 10 2
    Posted by CouponNut on February 1, 2011
    [reply] 3 0
    Its a good change, love the idea of daily worst deal to tightened up on those who post ridiculous deals or simply repeats of others using different expiration dates or promo codes. Sometimes thats a good thing if you missed out on the first deal but very repetitive.
  • 101381
    midget
    professor
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    Posted by midget on February 1, 2011
    [reply] 4 0
    Interesting changes.

    I'm not sure how the editors pick for daily worst is going to cause neg vote wars since the admins are the ones who are going to pick it. Members won't be voting on it.

    I'm guessing no one will know what the worst deal of the day is until daily contest is called.

    Question though: Back in the day when members did vote on your deal and it was a daily worst not only did the submitter lose pts. for that deal but anyone who voted positive on it did too. Is that gonna be the case with the editors pick too?

    I think this puts a lil pizazz back into buxr.
      101386
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 2 0
      Yes, if a deal gets picked as the Worst Deal of the Day, those voting on it will lose points.

      This is explained, with point values, in the sidebar on the Monthly Contest page.
    • 101388
    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 2 0
      These rules stay unchanged - the members who votes up the worst deal will lose points, those who voted it down will gain points. The first member to vote down the worst deal will gain more than the others.
    • 101567
    • psplove
      professor
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      11 9 2
      Posted by psplove on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      Interesting. Where can we check the Worst Deal of the Day? can you put the link that we can check it? Thanks!
    • 101572
    • midget
      professor
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      10 6 2
      Posted by midget on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      Just go to the daily winners page here:
      http://www.buxr.com/contest/daily

      and in the upper right top of the page is where you use the drop down box to "show everyone" instead of the default "show winners"
    • 101577
    • psplove
      professor
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      11 9 2
      Posted by psplove on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      Oh, I see, Thanks midget. Cool
  • 101385
    pablos17
    deity
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    10 8 2
    Posted by pablos17 on February 1, 2011
    [reply] 5 0
    The limiting of deals posted should help others win the bonus prize for most votes. I'm curious to see how things will work out.
      101387
    • midget
      professor
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      10 6 2
      Posted by midget on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 5 0
      It's gonna be interesting for sure. I'm not concerned about the daily limit for power users. 20 deals a day is a lot if you think about it.

      The only downfall about the daily worst deal is since admins are going to be picking it, there is no opportunity to take it off-contest like you would if it was a member voted worst.
    • 101389
    • shawndiaz
      beginner
      1
      Posted by shawndiaz on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 3 0
      That's the beauty of it, the worst deal is picked out of the masses that will be submitted in a day. If your deal has good value, then you should not have to worry, right? Wink
    • 101399
    • equipurple
      professor
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      11 8 1
      Posted by equipurple on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 3 0
      I assume, midget, that you are the most prolific deal poster. Over the last few months, you offered 500-600+ deals per month, so 20 per day is a workable number.
  • 101390
    equipurple
    professor
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    11 8 1
    Posted by equipurple on February 1, 2011
    [reply] 5 1
    I think the changes are a step in the right direction. I think negative votes are an important part of Buxr that has been lost. In January, the top 25 point gainers (the most active and most involved users) posted not a single negative vote out of roughly 25,000 votes they posted. I voted negative on 4 deals out of the 250-odd votes I made in the month. Surely I am not the only old and grumpy one here!
    Out of about 5000 comment votes given to the top 25 users, there were 5 negative votes. This is not happy land, people! Mr Green
  • 101393
    equipurple
    professor
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    Posted by equipurple on February 1, 2011
    [reply] 2 1
    Can there be multiple worst deals of the day?
      101401
    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 2 0
      Sure, why not. I hope this will add some excitement to the contests! Smile

      As Solstice mentioned, we will look at your votes and comments for the guidance, and we will have some 'surprise' picks as well.
    • 101419
    • laaya
      professor
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      11 8 2
      Posted by laaya on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      We will no longer award the voter points for voting up other members topics/comments. The poster will still receive points when their topic/comment gets votes.

      This one is really interesting.

      I think worst deal should be one those kind which are saving just few cents than the previous submissions. Smile
    • 101479
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      Yeah, possibly, this whole picking of the lesser to evils thing is overrated.

      Even without a negative vote, your comments may play a role in our selection as Yan indicated. We are already frequently reading the comments people leave behind for interesting tidbits.
    • 101692
    • deby32953
      professor
      Posted by deby32953 on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      Does this mean we would not be penalized for giving a neg. comment also?
    • 101710
    • Solstice
      professor
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      11 4 1
      Posted by Solstice on February 2, 2011 [reply] 0 0
      From the Buxr Wiki:

      Members can gain or lose points from other members voting up/down their comments or topics.

      1.
      Each positive vote gives the submitter 1 points.
      2.
      Each negative vote costs the submitter 1 point.

      The topic/comment must be less than 1 day old to accumulate points. Only members with a total score of 50 points and 5 days tenure can give other members points. In order to prevent friendly voting and voting wars, only your first 5 votes in a 1 day period can earn points when voting for any individual member.
    • 101726
    • orangearrows
      professor
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      These "first 5 votes" are including votes to discussion topics + comments? Or is it 5 for DT and 5 for comments?
    • 101727
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on February 2, 2011 [reply] 0 0
      The section I quoted is only in reference to comments.
  • 101475
    sandyshore
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    Posted by sandyshore on February 1, 2011
    [reply] 3 0
    I'm wondering if sometimes the worst deal of the day will be for reasons other than the value of an item? I've seen some submissions that needed some real work once posted that should have happened by power users before they were posted. Will that ever be part of the worst deal scenario?
      101481
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      As Spock would say... "Fascinating." Wink
    • 101483
    • sandyshore
      professor
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      12 8 1
      Posted by sandyshore on February 1, 2011
      [reply] 2 0
      Yea, I knew that would get your attention! Big Grin
  • 101477
    sandyshore
    professor
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    12 8 1
    Posted by sandyshore on February 1, 2011
    [reply] 3 0
    I would like to say that the changes will be interesting. I've only ever seen positive voting it may be hard for me to re-adjust to the new system. I like the ideas, just curious to see the way things play out. Hoping to see it change some of the negative aspects of the old way of voting and doesn't add too many new ways to abuse the voting system.
  • 101565
    Avatar_g
    teacher
    Posted by sareece on February 2, 2011
    [reply] 2 3
    Yeah, this is going to bring a Buxr War, no matter what the admins think. I do not think people agree on what is a good deal and a bad deal and its really just going to p*** a bunch of people off, which in turn is going to drive them away from Buxr... but whatever, its not my baby.
      101693
    • deby32953
      professor
      Posted by deby32953 on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 2 0
      I agree w/you sareece. A lot of people quit after a few weeks/months saying it's too much work for too little return and are offended by some of the comments left by admin.
    • 101698
    • orangearrows
      professor
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 2 0
      Agree
    • 101717
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on February 2, 2011 [reply] 0 0
      For those who missed it... Here is a passage from the Buxr Wiki.

      "In order to prevent friendly voting and voting wars, only your first 5 votes in a 1 day period can earn points when voting for any individual member." [This applies to negative voting as well.]
    • 101720
    • Solstice
      professor
      1 6 2
      11 4 1
      Posted by Solstice on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 2 0
      Try to think of it as a game and not so much of a contest. All games have rules and guidelines to ensure that the participants are playing in an honorable manner. Like any game, if you don't like the rules, nobody can make you play it. Heck, we won't even make you be spectator. Its your choice, free will, and option. Use and employ them as you see fit. Let the games continue! Smile
    • 101746
    • Avatar_w
      teacher
      Posted by sareece on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 2 3
      Business ALSO has rules. SURPRISED? Maybe an unwritten rule, but if you let people with ^ that kind of attitude run your "business" the only place they are going to run it is right into the ground, Yan. Oh sorry was that a personal attack? Mmmm Hmmmm... Consider a little friendly business advice.

      Solstice, I suggest you get a life and quit thinking you are the c*** of the walk and anonymous in the internet. You are going to p*** the wrong person off one day with your cocky, shitty, attitude. OOPS that WAS a personal attack. Im out.
    • 101903
    • deby32953
      professor
      Posted by deby32953 on February 3, 2011 [reply] 0 0
      YES!!! Someone besides me finally tells the truth! Now be prepared to have your deals rejected for every little thing, told items are out-of-stock even though you have e-receipt & screenshot, direct questions not aswered, etc. as the retribution begins! Childish, isn't it?
  • 101645
    Solstice
    professor
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    Posted by Solstice on February 2, 2011 [reply] 0 0
    Bumping due to importance and to ensure that all regular submitters are notified.
  • 101699
    orangearrows
    professor
    2 3
    7 1 1
    Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
    [reply] 1 0
    Not sure what value WDOTD adds to BUXR?
  • 101742
    mooncow728
    professor
    1 1
    12 6 1
    Posted by mooncow728 on February 2, 2011
    [reply] 2 0
    Seeing the first editor's worst deal of the day ( http://www.buxr.com/deal/wittn.....atch_75800 ) I'm in shock. It may not be a necessity but it's still a HUGE discount from MSRP. Also with Valentine's right around the corner how could this not be a good deal? I see $3000 TVs get votes on here and that should definitely be considered a "luxury item", so what's the difference? Are we going to start seeing "luxury items" with a huge discount WDOTD all the time here?
      101748
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on February 2, 2011 [reply] 1 1
      You're not really going to try and judge the next month worth of picks based on the first one? Neutral

      Also, something may be easily missed here, The "Worst Deal of The Day" is just that. What could be the worst one on any given day, may shine like a gem by comparison the next. There will also be days where noting fits the bill. Believe me when I say it was not the only deal that was considered for the spot. Anyway, that was the reasoning and we are sticking to it. Smile
    • 101750
    • mooncow728
      professor
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      12 6 1
      Posted by mooncow728 on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 3 0
      I just hate to see something with such a significant discount (almost $600 if I remember right) get the WDOTD award, especially so close to Valentine's day. I know watches never do well on Buxr but I love seeing them posted as I have a husband with an expensive watch fetish. I never used to believe expensive watches were better but he's proven me wrong over the years. I would hate to see people quit posting watches (or anything for that matter) that has a huge discount just because they worry about getting WDOTD.
    • 101753
    • orangearrows
      professor
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 2 0
      Yan, really???????

      I mean if I post a TAG Heuer watch for $5000 which normally costs $10000 - I am going to be dinged?

      This is getting crazier. Really
  • 101784
    laaya
    professor
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    11 8 2
    Posted by laaya on February 2, 2011
    [reply] 3 0
    To buy a TAG Heuer, do you really need to check a deal for it? Smile
      101785
    • orangearrows
      professor
      2 3
      7 1 1
      Posted by orangearrows on February 2, 2011
      [reply] 2 0
      I need one - otherwise I can't own one.
  • 101787
    webbyone2010
    professor
    1
    Posted by webbyone2010 on February 2, 2011
    [reply] 2 0
    I wonder how this will align us with other deal sites. If we have radically different results, what does that mean?
      101905
    • deby32953
      professor
      Posted by deby32953 on February 3, 2011
      [reply] 1 0
      The other sites will have ALL the codes for the sites, including just plain old free shipping which someone may really need. No one will bother to post here "in fear" so Buxr won't have the volume or completeness the other sites do. You won't be able to click Chadwicks and see EVERY SINGLE coupon available which is a shame since a lot of sites let you use codes only 1x each (like Chads.)

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