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Retaliative Voting

submitted on March 15, 2009 by MrCheap in "Buxr Website / Contests"
Just noticed something today. It happened a couple days back but it doesn't make it less relevant. My negative votes to these religious freebies:

http://www.buxr.com/deal/free-rosary_18113
http://www.buxr.com/deal/free-finger-rosary_18111
http://www.buxr.com/deal/free-.....bies_18114

have caused these strange and hard to explain negative votes on some of my deals:

http://www.buxr.com/deal/think.....-hdd_18032
http://www.buxr.com/deal/dell-.....more_17992

I call for a voting ban on all overaged's deals unless overaged accepts the mistake and apologizes in a comment to this thread.

When I see a hot deal - I vote up. When I see something of low value - I vote down. Never did I try to punish another member with a negative vote like that.

I have been here for a while and I appreciate everything Yan and Mike do for Buxr, but these kind of things take all the fun out of my time on Buxr
 

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  • 18386
    phunkeey
    teacher
    Posted by phunkeey on March 16, 2009
    [reply] 1 0
    How about you lose a point if you vote down on the best deal of the day? That might reduce "retaliative voting." However, people have different opinions about what deserves a negative vote. The consensus seems to be that a deal only deserves a negative vote if there is a cheaper deal on the same item elsewhere. Others will vote a deal down simply if they think it isn't great. That's fine, but how about a penalty if it wins? Thoughts?
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    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      How about you lose a point if you vote down on the best deal of the day?


      This is how it currently works
  • 18412
    bnwsmile
    beginner
    Posted by bnwsmile on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    What really irks me is people giving negative votes on good deals just because it may not appeal to them. People have different tastes and not EVERY deal is going to be appealing to EVERY person. You are entitled to your opinion but why waste time being an a** and messing w/ someone who is trying to share a good thing? Just my 2cents.

    And if you're wondering I'm not only referring to http://www.buxr.com/deal/free-.....rner_18271 I've seen a few things like this since I've joined from various people. Sorry to somewhat call you out phunkeey. I have nothing against you like I said you're entitled to your opinion. Guess I just needed to vent a bit. If everyone gave a negative vote on things that didn't appeal to them this would get old quick. Why waste your time. I can understand if something is obviously misplaced. Like junk deals that would end up in the trash. But if you think someone somewhere would use it don't bash people. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to share money saving opportunities with other people. If you don't like my deals don't take them.

    lol... End of my Rant >.< Hopefully I didn't make myself look like a complete idiot in the process... Much <3!
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    • phunkeey
      teacher
      Posted by phunkeey on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      That was indeed a good rant. By "not for everyone" I meant that this deal was limited to the first 7000. I will vote down all deals like this simply because by the time they get to buxr the free stuff is gone. I think its a lame marketing gimmick.
  • 18418
    YanBz
    admin
    Posted by YanBz on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    I can see MrCheap's point and there are really a few things that can be done.

    1. Enable members to roll back votes within a certain period of time. I am hopeful many of these votes are done by mistake or without much thought given and if a member had an opportunity to roll them back they would most certainly did.
    2. Disable neg. voting for new members (like it was already suggested several times). I am reluctant to proceed with this change as this would mean adding more restrictions and I am never for those.
    3. Bring out the issues like this for discussion. What you think is obvious maybe not as clear to others. Open discussions help set things straight and avoid problems in the future
  • 18422
    mutatedgene
    learner
    Posted by mutatedgene on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    I like the idea of being able to roll back votes. I voted down a couple of deals which on discussion and further looking into there was an error on my part. Now im stuck with a bad vote and probably a p***** off deal poster! The sooner we bring that option in the better imho.
      18428
    • bnwsmile
      beginner
      Posted by bnwsmile on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      I agree. First deal I posted Solstice commented and I accidentally hit the negative sign next to Solstice's comment. I thought it would close comments... Hehe, whoopsie! It's kind of funny though cause he said something like "Newbie Alert" and it was so so true, lol. To this day he has me grovelling at his feet. I didn't mean to! Honest! =P
    • 18454
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on March 16, 2009
      [reply] 0 1
      How is it that even when I try to avoid participating in a conversation my name pops up somewhere. It would seem that my ability to keep a low profile has long since passed. Wink

      PS: Bnwsmile, you're fine in my book, so no groveling needed.
    • 18456
    • MrCheap
      professor
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      Posted by MrCheap on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      Make it twice, "Solstice" and "sostice" Wink
    • 18466
    • mutatedgene
      learner
      Posted by mutatedgene on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      I guess when youre a professor people do want to learn from you Wink
  • 18436
    overaged
    apprentice
    1 1 1
    Posted by overaged on March 16, 2009
    [reply] 0 1
    I am hopeful many of these votes are done by mistake or without much thought given

    My vote was without much thought. It was done out of anger. I admitted that the first night when sostice called me on it. I am relatively new to this site and still learning. I try to post deals that I think are good. Like, bnw said,
    What really irks me is people giving negative votes on good deals just because it may not appeal to them. People have different tastes and not EVERY deal is going to be appealing to EVERY person." There are "deals" here that do not appeal to me in the slightest but I do not neg them because of it. I kind of understand the religious thing, I'm not religious myself but lots of people are and there are some people that can't go to the church to get these items that are free on the net due to disabilities and such.
    Also I'm still trying to understand why a freebie that is ongoing is considered a bad thing? Just because some of us knew about the freebie for a while since it was ongoing there are others that didn't and it still is a deal so why is it bad? I asked this on one of the freebies but no one answered.
    I don't like seeing my items negged, I don't think anyone does, including Mr Cheap. I take a lot of time looking for deals and try to be selective. there are thousands of "deals" out there but i try to find those that appeal to me and would hopefully benefit someone else. I realize that the deals I post cannot benefit everyone. That goes for everyone else here that posts deals. All deals cannot and will not benefit everyone.
    If there are things that people here do not want to see let me know and I will make sure I do not list them.
  • 18438
    bnwsmile
    beginner
    Posted by bnwsmile on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Yeah, just because it is limited doesn't mean vote it down. I mean all things have limits.... But to each his own. I'll just smile proudly when I receive mine in the mail as well as the others that opted in for it =)
  • 18448
    phunkeey
    teacher
    Posted by phunkeey on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Or get ticked off when you get an email saying, "due to the overwhelming response to our. . . . "
    Here's my original post on this issue: http://www.buxr.com/topic/free.....t-1000_284
      18511
    • bnwsmile
      beginner
      Posted by bnwsmile on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      Na, that wouldn't bother me. Whats painful is seeing a HUGE sale on a $300 luggage set going for $30... Adding it to your shopping bag and then right when you click checkout you get an error. You press the back button and "We're sorry the item you have selected is permanently sold out." It hurt. Sad
  • 18453
    MrCheap
    professor
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    Posted by MrCheap on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    There will never be harmony on Buxr because there are as many good and bad deals as there are opinions. I am totally fine with anyone voting down my deal (and reasoning why) but I am not fine when it is done in response to my (negative) opinion about their own deal
      18461
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on March 16, 2009
      [reply] 0 1
      I'll giggle as soon as we get a member named "Harmony". Big Grin
    • 18471
    • phunkeey
      teacher
      Posted by phunkeey on March 16, 2009
      [reply] 3 1
      Maybe that can be bionicle's next name.
    • 18484
    • Solstice
      professor
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      11 4 1
      Posted by Solstice on March 16, 2009
      [reply] 0 1
      LMAO! I only wish he would just settle on the one that is currently being used.
      However, I love the 80's hair you got going on now. Wink
    • 18607
    • MacGyver
      beginner
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      Posted by MacGyver on March 17, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      Haven't you heard young grasshopper, variety is the spice of life! No?
    • 18618
    • Solstice
      professor
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      11 4 1
      Posted by Solstice on March 17, 2009
      [reply] 0 1
      Sensei Says... Get your own tag lines kid.
    • 18636
    • MacGyver
      beginner
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      Posted by MacGyver on March 17, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      LOL, Yes, oh master!
  • 18460
    mutatedgene
    learner
    Posted by mutatedgene on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Phunkeey I think I will have to call you out again on this and hope we can resolve this by discussion. Could you please explain your logic in voting down this deal?

    http://www.buxr.com/deal/sandi.....rive_18280

    Its like saying a Sony 42" HDTV at $1000 is a bad deal when compared to a Samsung 42" HDTV at $950!. I dont understand how you can make this comparison at all!
  • 18479
    phunkeey
    teacher
    Posted by phunkeey on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    My logic is as follows:

    1. Cheap thumb drives are ubiquitous.
    2. If something is ubiquitous it is not a good deal.
    3. Therefore, cheap thumb drives are not a good deal.
      18482
    • mutatedgene
      learner
      Posted by mutatedgene on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      I do see your logic, but only partly.

      2 Questions with that (I guess they mean similar things)

      1. Does that mean I should expect you to vote down every thumb drive deal (and other cheap and ubiquitous products, except the lowest priced one irrespective of what brand it is and how it is designed) that pops up on buxr?

      2. Would you rather pay less and buy a poorly built product as opposed to paying more for a longer lasting one? If so how do you expect your option to be held by everyone else? Im not saying here that a cheaper Kingston drive would be poor for everyone but what if several other people have that opinion?
    • 18485
    • mutatedgene
      learner
      Posted by mutatedgene on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      "There will never be harmony on Buxr because there are as many good and bad deals as there are opinions."

      MrCheap is right. Forget it. I dont think there is a point to arguing this further. No offence meant and none taken I hope.
  • 18486
    overaged
    apprentice
    1 1 1
    Posted by overaged on March 16, 2009
    [reply] 0 1
    And still no one has answered my question....
    Please refer to above post for the question asked for the 2nd time.

    Also the part of items not wanting to be seen here. If I can provide better deals let me know. Obviously there are things here that seem to tabu.
  • 18490
    deathbynosleep
    teacher
    7 1 1
    Posted by deathbynosleep on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    If I don't like a deal, or it's something I would not use...I just don't vote on it. Simple as that. I'm still new, but I very rarely give neg votes.
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    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      This is what I would consider a good practice. I will however encourage you to reasonably vote down the deals that are clearly bad, e.g. those that can be found cheaper elsewhere (exact brand and model), or the offers that are widely known by everyone (e.g. free shipping on orders over $25 at Amazon)
  • 18492
    YanBz
    admin
    Posted by YanBz on March 16, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    You put your question in a "blockquote" and it got lost. I will re-post:

    Also I'm still trying to understand why a freebie that is ongoing is considered a bad thing? Just because some of us knew about the freebie for a while since it was ongoing there are others that didn't and it still is a deal so why is it bad? I asked this on one of the freebies but no one answered.


    Overall, here is what we consider hot deals:

    http://www.buxr.com/blog/2008/.....-deal-hot/

    As for the freebies. I think it was concluded some time ago that freebies that were once posted should not run in the contest again since they are of limited value for most of the people here. If you want to bring such freebie to everyone's attention then just find it in Buxr archives, flag it as "alive again", and it will bubble up in the queue

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