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Manipulating contest results

submitted on April 17, 2009 by MrCheap in "Buxr Website / Contests"
Members beware!!! An attempt to manipulate the contest is in progress!

http://www.buxr.com/deal/acer-.....itor_21026

This is what I call a "run on the deal". 3 out of the 5 votes this deal has came from bigger915's friends according to the Friends Contest page:

http://www.buxr.com/contest/friends

Do they all like monitors? Eeek

All the 9 votes thebongster made today went to one member. Guess who! Mad

http://www.buxr.com/profile/thebongster
 

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  • 22130
    Solstice
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    Posted by Solstice on April 17, 2009
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    Such are the things epic poems are made of. Wink
  • 22210
    k-rock360
    expert
    Posted by k-rock360 on April 17, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    I love monitors and this is a great deal for a 23" 1080p monitor under $200.
  • 22211
    pecinada
    learner
    Posted by pecinada on April 17, 2009
    [reply] 0 2
    Bitter are we? Someone promotes traffic on this website and introduces a little competition into deal posting and all you can do is cry about him?

    I was looking at the friend's contest page and I noticed something odd...All of his friends have been posting deals and contributing to the richness of this website. Now look at last month's winner (overaged), 4 out of 5 friends have no activity (no deals, no votes)...Where hell was Buxrpatrol on that one?

    Browsing the deals page, I only see 4 or 5 names over and over...You should be applauding someone able to bring in more active,voting members. Unless of course you're just a sore l****, than I guess continue your asinine rhetoric.
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    • steve_05
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      Posted by steve_05 on April 17, 2009
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      You need to chill out!
    • 22217
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on April 17, 2009
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      I second that motion, especially in light of the ground you stand upon at present.

      It should be noted that a difference exists between fair and unequal competition.

      We as an online community are willing to only tolerate one of the two types.
  • 22223
    k-rock360
    expert
    Posted by k-rock360 on April 18, 2009
    [reply] 0 1
    First don't come to this discussion if you don't have any productive thing to contribute than "You need to chill out!". Second the premise of this website is to promote good deals and spread the concept to as many outlets as possible. In the month that Bigger915 has been here, he has consistently contributed to the site by posting deals. Most of those deals turned out to be great deals cause it got voted on by many Buxr members including you guys. He has spread the idea of Buxr to new people and that could ultimately start a domino effect. He did get votes from his friends, but who here hasn't got votes from other members/friends in the form of "appreciation votes" and his friends are spanking new so he might just be showing them the process. I know how difficult it is to refer people so personally i can see how hard he worked to get his referrals. We as an Buxr community are a team of deal hunters. So why not support a fellow member that's able to find great deals for us!
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    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on April 18, 2009
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      And a contribution you shall have shortly if so desired... Wink
    • 22243
    • steve_05
      professor
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      Posted by steve_05 on April 18, 2009
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      k-rock360: Quit running your mouth with all that nonsense.
  • 22229
    k-rock360
    expert
    Posted by k-rock360 on April 18, 2009
    [reply] 0 1
    So what you show me is some deals that he told his friends about and they thought it was good enough to get vote on. I see your name on top of one voters on some of the deals solstice. So it's safe to assume that you also agree those are good deals. It might happen to be that he mention the deals to his friends and they were among the first to see/vote on the deals. Can you tell me what about these deals that are bad that they shouldn't be voted on?
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    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on April 18, 2009
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      1. My name appears on only one deal listed. However, the other names are another matter entirely, appearing in succession over and over, with the same groupings and little variation.

      2. You're attempting to evade the point which is self-evident.

      3. The lists and names therein stand as highly suspect, and seen together support the claim asserted by Mr. Cheap. All individually are invited to draw their own conclusion with the evidence at hand, and to pass judgment as they see fit.
    • 22238
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on April 18, 2009
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      What is interesting k-rock360 is that I was not necessarily considering you with that list but the other names that appear quite frequently. However, your defense of Bigger915 is what troubles me. Granted you did refer Bigger915 last month to the site, but that does not mean you have to act as personal advocate for him, and it only suggests you may be guilty by association.
      ( http://www.buxr.com/contest/friends/m/1 )

      I would recommend for yourself that you allow Bigger915 and his referrals to defend themselves, and distancing yourself as far from him in the meantime until this is cleared-up. At this point I still don't think you were outright involved, but your continuing defense of him is influencing that belief. For now I will continue to vote on your deals if you do the same for others including me, and do not become involved or partake in this axis of voting evil.
  • 22233
    MrCheap
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    Posted by MrCheap on April 18, 2009
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    I think bigger915's friends are a bit overdoing with the "appreciation" part. Are they blind and don't see any other good deals? thebongster made 9 votes in one day and not a single one for any other member!

    Intentionally or not bigger915 is provoking an arms race. You must have noticed other members stopped voting for his deals. I am sure this is not a coincidence. Buxr is a very small world and everyone who has eyes can see what is going on

    If anything bigger's friends are damaging the concept of the site. With so many appreciation votes flying around it is becoming hard for a casual visitor to make a good deal apart of a bad one
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    • TheBest
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      Posted by TheBest on April 18, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      Yes Mr.Cheap You are right.

      So Bigger915 and friends just try to understand, you can't win with only yours friends group. You need others members support and we also need your friends support.
    • 22256
    • kldpm
      professor
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      Posted by kldpm on April 18, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      MrCheap, I think the admins can ban a user from voting if they see that a member is voting only (or mostly) for a single member.

      And you are right it will be damaging for the site and the casual visitors will be the most affected.
    • 22265
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on April 18, 2009
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      The Mods require overwhelming evidence to take that action, but we only require compelling evidence to reach a conclusion. However, the harm done to the site for all users including the casual ones is undeniable, and needs to be considered.
  • 22380
    bigger915
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    Posted by bigger915 on April 19, 2009
    [reply] 0 1
    Please do tell me why those deals that TheBongster voted on were not good deals? Do my friends have to wait for you guys to vote on my good deals before they take action on anything? Are you trying to manipulate other members into not voting for "good deals" because they were posted by me? Solstice, you said "For now I will continue to vote on your deals if you do the same for others including me, and do not become involved or partake in this axis of voting evil." Is that not manipulating the voting? Basically, you're saying "If you vote for me, I'll vote for you buddy," not taking into account the quality of the deal. A lof of people manipulate the contest because they vote on deals toward the end of the day that have a lot of votes (good deals or not) to just get points toward the monthly contest. These people are trying to win a contest...and so am I. I'm not going to lie...I vote on the deals that have the highest vote total at the end of each day, good or not so good deals. Some people have more time than others to go around looking for deals on this site, some people don't have much time at all. Thebongster is one of those people right now that doesn't have much time to check out the site in full to see how everything works. I told him to go check out the site, to go check out some deals...and apparently he just voted on some of my deals I had posted. Big whoop, I've seen people vote on deals that aren't so great...we can't tell if they're that member's friends because they weren't referred in the past two months. So please tell me why Thebongster shouldn't have voted on my deals (don't tell me "Why did he only vote for you?" because the premise of the site is to post and see good deals)? Voting manipulation is happening behind the scenes...if you guys don't realize that, then you're blind.
  • 22382
    overaged
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    Posted by overaged on April 19, 2009
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    Funny that your friend, with his limited time had enough time to vote on only your items (exclusively), when it only takes a few minutes to look over others deals and find that there are others here who post good deals as well. But no, your friend singled you out and decided that your deals were the only ones worthy of voting on.

    I post may deals daily, some of them have won the daily prize but yet your friend didn't see fit to vote on mine or anyone elses that obviously were good enough to make the top 5.
  • 22383
    pecinada
    learner
    Posted by pecinada on April 19, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Funny that you won a $50 contest last month with 4 out 5 friends that have had zero activity. Funny, right?
  • 22384
    overaged
    apprentice
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    Posted by overaged on April 19, 2009
    [reply] 0 1
    The contest was to refer friends. I did that. not funny, reality.
  • 22421
    pecinada
    learner
    Posted by pecinada on April 20, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    You fail to see the hypocrisy
  • 22429
    overaged
    apprentice
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    Posted by overaged on April 20, 2009
    [reply] 0 1
    this isn't about me. this is about your friend and his friends voting habits. don't try to make this about anything other than what it is.
  • 22480
    phunkeey
    teacher
    Posted by phunkeey on April 20, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    It's one thing if people's friends simply vote only for their deals.

    It's quite another if people are using multiple accounts to vote for their deals. An account at home, work, on your iphone etc.

    Here is my proposal: http://www.buxr.com/topic/a-modest-proposal_481
  • 22720
    llocomotive
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    Posted by llocomotive on April 22, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Hey ,can I be a manipulator ? Seems like manipulators get a lot of attention Wink Mr Green
  • 22724
    MrCheap
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    Posted by MrCheap on April 22, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    You can try. I would start with posting a deal first Wink
  • 23742
    sunflower2
    beginner
    Posted by sunflower2 on May 3, 2009
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    I'm pretty new here but even I can't help but notice a lot of votes coming from people who have never submitted a deal and have no activity other than voting.

    It seems to me that there should be some minimal restrictions on who can vote to avoid the kind of manipulations mentioned above, specifically setting up duplicate accounts or getting other people to vote who have no real interest in participating in Buxr.
      23748
    • mallik
      beginner
      Posted by mallik on May 3, 2009
      [reply] 0 1
      I agree with you.
    • 23751
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on May 3, 2009
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      No, we need more voters who are not biased! That is the real problem! Inhibiting new voters who do not suffer from the "friend" bias, would only cause the problem to continue longer with those already present. If you want to really help, refer your friends, but don't tell them your screen name. Draw to the site enough new unbiased voting members, and those who are voting with bias will be drowned out, and perhaps balance can be regained.

      If you want restrictions, then they should be placed on those who are voting with "friend" bias.
    • 23762
    • sunflower2
      beginner
      Posted by sunflower2 on May 3, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      If you want restrictions, then they should be placed on those who are voting with "friend" bias.


      That's what I mean. Of course you can't single people out so it seems to me that in order to vote, people should be required to submit deals also. Say, 5 votes for each good deal. I know this number seems kind of low but I think it would help to weed out those who are just 'friend voting'or have duplicate accounts.

      As a new member I feel a little discouraged when I see my deals get so few votes while other people (often the same ones over and over) get large numbers of votes for deals that really aren't that great.
    • 23779
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on May 3, 2009
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      Sorry, its a bit of a sore subject with me. Please feel free to suggest possible solutions to the problem. I've brought up the subject myself, and that biased voting will discourage new membership and active deal submission by new people.

      I've already begun referring people to the site with strict instructions not to tell me their screen name. For all I know you could be one of them. LOL

      Please stick around, and know that if you post a good deal, I'll be there voting for you.
    • 23789
    • sunflower2
      beginner
      Posted by sunflower2 on May 3, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      No, I don't know anyone here at all and I can't remember how I got here. I think maybe from a link in the Giveaway of the Day forums. I was so excited to find a freebie/deals site that didn't involved filling out surveys or being forced to accept 'offers' in order to get the item.

      What I perceive as biased voting has already caused me to be less enthusiastic about finding deals. I kinda feel like, what's the point?

      But I do like the site a lot (even though almost none of the deals will mail to Hawaii without hefty shipping fees if at all). I still have been able to send for a lot of freebies, yay!!
    • 23790
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on May 3, 2009
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      Well, in the last year since I've been a member I've made approximately $1700+ with daily and monthly wins, so if I had actually saved all that money I could have afforded to go to Hawaii. However, my point is that its possible to get that Hawaii trip in a roundabout way.

      Hang in there, and you will get the knack of things on the site, and slowly but surely the biased voters will be brutally crushed into oblivion by the weight of the masses. Twisted

      PS: Those of us looking to get new people on the site will welcome you warmly. Smile
  • 23769
    YanBz
    admin
    Posted by YanBz on May 3, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Have no doubt we ban any accounts we find as connected (aka duplicate). Legitimate friends is fine and we encourage you to bring your friends to the site. It probably sounds too much to ask everyone refer friends but not tell them your screen name, but to me personally it sounds like a great idea. We do need more unbiased votes to balance things out and I am grateful to our old members who stick around to help the site (steve_05, you are the first one who comes to my mind).
      23987
    • steve_05
      professor
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      Posted by steve_05 on May 5, 2009
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      Thanks for the Recognition Yan. I love this site and plan to stick around as long as possible.
    • 24049
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on May 5, 2009
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      Please do! Your vote is greatly needed, as it looks like they're back with more friends.

      I'm hoping we did not lose Mr. Cheap over all of this, have not seen him in almost a week.
  • 23791
    onkarkulkarni
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    Posted by onkarkulkarni on May 4, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    I certainly agree with everyone here who back the idea of keeping Buxr a unbiased site which in itself is the soul of Buxr and imperative for it's success. Regular monitoring of votes could be taken into consideration and any pattern of biasing should be strictly discouraged to ensure fair and honest judgement of deals.
  • 24193
    overaged
    apprentice
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    Posted by overaged on May 7, 2009
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    no where. funny you only post the ones that include me but he doesn't vote on my deals exclusively unlike some people we're aware of.

    In fact he's voted on 205 deals so far this month and for lots of deal submitters here.

    How many votes can we credit you for?

    And yeah, he's on my friends list.

    If he was just voting on my deals I would tell him to stop cause it wouldn't be right but I look at his voting history and he votes on quite a few peoples deals here.
  • 24195
    bigger915
    master
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    Posted by bigger915 on May 7, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Lol...ok, so all of my friends can vote on alllllll of my deals just as long as they vote on other deals too...gotcha buddy
  • 24196
    lprjohnny
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    Posted by lprjohnny on May 7, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Thats It! I am only voting on the 'Michaels" deal from now on. lol.
  • 24197
    overaged
    apprentice
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    Posted by overaged on May 7, 2009
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    whatever bigger, interpret things how you want.

    You've already been called on you and your friends shady habits.

    I have one friend here that votes and lists. He's a contributing member of buxr.

    I don't have lots of friends manipulating the voting system which is what you did.
  • 24198
    k-rock360
    expert
    Posted by k-rock360 on May 7, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    I'm looking at it and 18 of his last 28 votes was for your new deals, overaged.
  • 24201
    lprjohnny
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    Posted by lprjohnny on May 7, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Hello - Overaged post a lot of deals. Helloooo.
  • 24202
    overaged
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    Posted by overaged on May 7, 2009
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    you're not gonna make this about me. K-rock we already know you're biggers friend.

    Just cause your friend bigger got caught don't try to turn this into something it aint.

    Check my friends list. I have one friend that participates on buxr.

    I've tried to get the others to participate but they don't have the time so they don't vote on my deals or anyone elses.
  • 24382
    TheBest
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    Posted by TheBest on May 8, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    My friends list is too big than you guys.
    Do you want to see....Check this link..... Mr Green
    http://www.buxr.com/contest/monthly
  • 27493
    Solstice
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    Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
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    Someone is still not playing fair. Evil

    http://www.buxr.com/activity/bigger915

    I remember who referred that member.
  • 27495
    bigger915
    master
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    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    What are you talking about?
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    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
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      Remind us all Bigger915, who referred you to the site.
  • 27497
    bigger915
    master
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    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009
    [reply] 1 2
    Seriously, can someone get this guy a tissue and some Johnson's No More Tears Baby Shampoo?
      27499
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
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      I'll give everyone a hint, since you are trying to sidestep the conversation.
      Its the only person who you voted for in the last 12 hours today as of this comment.
  • 27498
    bigger915
    master
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    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    K-Rock360...and your point is?
      27501
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
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      That would be my point, thank you.
  • 27500
    bigger915
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    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    And what's wrong with that? I'll be voting on more stuff later...pal
      27502
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
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      Is something wrong with the present, or do you need him to post more stuff first?
  • 27503
    bigger915
    master
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    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Also, that's not the only deal I've voted on today. I voted on stuff 12 hours ago, which is still today... OMG Eeek
      27504
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
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      Yes, but all of those votes are on deals posted yesterday deal and not on deals posted today, and we all know that trick. Sure you can't see your way to cast one or two more votes on deals posted today, and for someone else other than K-Rock?
  • 27505
    k-rock360
    expert
    Posted by k-rock360 on June 5, 2009
    [reply] 0 2
    wow solstice, grow up. By your tone you seems to think it's a game and enjoy all the drama. If you have to say something, say it. As for bigger915 voting on my deal, notice it's without a s, he was voter 7 out of 7. He voted on one of my deals. He also voted on tons of other deals. He also post tons of other deals. Again solstice, what is exactly your point.
      27506
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
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      Its already been made, and it could not be more obvious by this point.
  • 27507
    bigger915
    master
    4 1
    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009
    [reply] 1 0
    Why does it matter to you when I vote on deals? Why do I have to vote on multiple deals at one time? Why are you trying to manipulate the way I vote?
      27509
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
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      You seem to be doing a fine job of manipulating your votes on your own at present.
  • 27508
    bigger915
    master
    4 1
    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009
    [reply] 1 0
    What's the issue here? I'm not allowed to vote on one deal at one point in time?
  • 27510
    bigger915
    master
    4 1
    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009
    [reply] 1 0
    Why don't you just keep waiting for my deals to expire, sellout, etc, and then comment on them. I don't mind that. It's pretty obvious.
      27511
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
      [reply] 0 4
      Once again, you're trying to sidestep the conversation.
  • 27512
    bigger915
    master
    4 1
    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009
    [reply] 1 0
    You are still not answering my question. What's the issue here about voting on one deal at one time? Why do I need to vote on multiple deals? What's wrong with voting on deals later today?
  • 27514
    k-rock360
    expert
    Posted by k-rock360 on June 5, 2009
    [reply] 0 2
    Once again dipstice, you disappointed me.
  • 27516
    k-rock360
    expert
    Posted by k-rock360 on June 5, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    Thank you, you've proven my point. This is a game for you.
      27518
    • Solstice
      professor
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      Posted by Solstice on June 5, 2009
      [reply] 0 4
      Sorry, but I'm the only one who has proved anything here today. Wink
    • 27526
    • k-rock360
      expert
      Posted by k-rock360 on June 5, 2009
      [reply] 0 1
      Get over yourself. And no, you haven't proven anything to other with your vague accusation.
  • 27517
    bigger915
    master
    4 1
    Posted by bigger915 on June 5, 2009
    [reply] 1 0
    Still didn't answer any of my questions...are you still researching your answers?

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