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Contest change needs to happen

submitted on February 21, 2010 by jack69darin in "Member's Lounge"
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I love buxr, but how can someone be in 1sst place just by voting, and posting comments. I don't have that much time.
 

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  • 53285
    deathbynosleep
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    Posted by deathbynosleep on February 21, 2010
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    Personally, I think it should be based on deal submissions only. I also think the deals should not post the users name. This way there is nobody knows who they are voting for.
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    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 22, 2010
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      I like that idea (deals should not post the users name)

      If I remember correctly this was proposed earlier.

      If you let the OP to vote for their own deal then it's hard to determine who posted the deal.
    • 53407
    • freestuffroxmysox
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      Posted by freestuffroxmysox on February 22, 2010
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      me too!
  • 53292
    mooncow728
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    Posted by mooncow728 on February 22, 2010
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    I just gotta say that I'm not trying to make people angry. I'm not even trying to win. I honestly thought someone would have passed me up by now, and I'm sure someone will. I don't often stumble across things that I think make very good deals so I don't post them. I don't see the point in just posting every little thing I see. So if anything else please don't lash out on me. I agree with deathbynosleep. I think that would probably help alot with the voting wars people have on here.
      53296
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 22, 2010
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      Well am sure you did nothing wrong. You are an active member of this community and did what an active member would do....participate wholly.
  • 53293
    midget
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    Posted by midget on February 22, 2010
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    I think it's great that you're participating heavily this month mooncow.

    You don't always need to post deals to win the contest. You are a prime example of that this month.

    You've been a member here about 9 months and this will be your first win. That's something to be proud of.
      53302
    • mooncow728
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      Posted by mooncow728 on February 22, 2010
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      Well thanks. I've been just kinda sitting in the shadow for a while because there is so much drama here sometimes. I love buxr but sometimes I wonder if it's worth it with all the people complaining. I don't vote for a deal unless I think it is useful to someone. I am a diehard deal seeker. If you knew me in real life you would understand. I'm sorry that I have irritated anyone in anyway. That is not who I am.
  • 53299
    Solstice
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    Posted by Solstice on February 22, 2010
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    Member names need to visible and in the open, this founding principle goes all they way back to the beginnings of Buxr, and it is one of its foundation stones. This allows people to quickly and easily discern who is voting and posting, when and how, and whether or not they want that to impact their voting or posting decisions. For some members this is important, to others it is not, but I think that option should remain open for those who do care, even if they are the minority.
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    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 22, 2010
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      Founding principles ... Foundation stone ....minorities

      what about civil rights ? I WANT my rights too as a minority

      Mr Green Mr Green Mr Green
    • 53363
    • MrCheap
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      Posted by MrCheap on February 22, 2010
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      Hiding names? If you post a deal you should stand by it! Evil
    • 53372
    • JackBauer
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      Posted by JackBauer on February 22, 2010
      [reply] 10 0
      MrCheap, I don't think that is the issue being brought up. I think the issue in question is people vote for people and not the deal.

      As in, MrCheap votes for my deals, so I should vote for his. I am only using you as an example because I am replying to you. I am not saying that you do that or have people do that to you. Personally, I am for anonymous deal posting during the voting period and then have the poster revealed after. It makes for voting strictly on the quality of deal and not the reputation of the poster. I think it would be an interesting experiment to try one month, if the coding isn't to tedious for Yan and Mike.

      I think many people might feel that they had posted a "winning deal" but ended up losing to a lesser deal because for the I'll scratch your back you scratch mine mentality.
    • 53379
    • deathbynosleep
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      Posted by deathbynosleep on February 22, 2010
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      I'm 100% behind this idea.
    • 53382
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 22, 2010
      [reply] 9 0
      add my 100% too
    • 53400
    • WhattaDealBlog
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      Posted by WhattaDealBlog on February 22, 2010
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      I would be all for having the deal owner hidden for the 1st 24 hours and show afterwords.

      To me its not a big deal I vote based on the deal and not a person. Except for if the person is brand new I may wait a bit to make sure the deal isn't "too good to be true".
    • 53402
    • midget
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      Posted by midget on February 22, 2010
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      I like this idea but there are some kinks to it.

      Since Mr Cheap is the example for this we'll continue with that concept Big Grin

      Let's say Mr Cheap makes a deal but now everyone is anonymous. There's an issue with his deal. The code he entered doesn't work and some clarification is needed.

      Now who do we call upon to fix that deal? Mr Cheap isn't gonna want to clarify cause then his identity will be revealed on that deal. No one else has any real incentive to try to fix the deal cause it's not theirs and they may not know where Mr Cheap got his info from to get more clarification.

      Also, people recognize writing styles and the types of deals submitted so the anonymity will not be hard to figure out given some time.

      Also voting is an issue. Mr Cheap posts a deal but he's not allowed to vote on his own deals and he has no more "vote up" credits so his lack of votes on that great deal is another indication that he's the submitter especially if the deals are constant and his votes are constantly missing.
    • 53430
    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on February 22, 2010
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      I can think of at least three members that would be easy to spot in many cases.

      I'll just start being less accurate, that way nobody knows its me posting. Big Grin
    • 53440
    • JackBauer
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      Posted by JackBauer on February 22, 2010
      [reply] 8 0
      Is Chinnam back...lol
    • 53474
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 23, 2010
      [reply] 5 0
      @jackB Well said .. Arrow . "I think many people might feel that they had posted a "winning deal" but ended up losing to a lesser deal because for the I'll scratch your back you scratch mine mentality."
  • 53305
    equipurple
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    Posted by equipurple on February 22, 2010
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    While submitting deals is certainly the main focus of buxr (where would we be without deals), votes, comments, topics, and discussions are all important parts of the community and the site and the contests. I would be opposed to limiting the contest to any one part to the exclusion of the others.

    That being said, I do agree that some minimum participation in deal submission could be made in order to qualify for monthly prizes.
  • 53306
    orangearrows
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    Posted by orangearrows on February 22, 2010
    [reply] 7 0
    Do Q mods get points for the number of deals they moderate?

    That might be an added incentive to get deals out of the Q faster. What say?

    -- but on the flip side ...they have more points in their pocket Mr Green which might be a ok ( if everyone agrees) since it gets the deals out the door faster
      53313
    • equipurple
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      Posted by equipurple on February 22, 2010
      [reply] 11 0
      Nope, just a responsibility as a power user. And it should not be rewarded.
    • 53316
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 22, 2010
      [reply] 8 0
      Responsibility - YES - But deals do remain stuck in the Q ( for hours at times) -- I do understand though that it does take a lot of time to mod the deals and sometimes it's frustrating -- used to be a power user myself
    • 53520
    • pablos17
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      Posted by pablos17 on February 23, 2010
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      In terms of deals getting stuck in Q for no other reason than that they are not being activated and there is nothing wrong with the accuracy of the submission, would it be possible to have the 24 hr clock start at the point of activation instead of when they submitted the deal to the Q?
    • 53523
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 23, 2010
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      I think they are -- Yan can confirm on that
    • 53526
    • YanBz
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      Posted by YanBz on February 23, 2010
      [reply] 6 0
      The 24 hour voting window currently starts when the deal is activated (not when it is submitted), so there is no issue there. This by the way may produce an interesting phenomena - your vote may still be contest eligible even if you vote on a 1 day old or older deal.

      Other than that, I don't see why we should show on the deal page when the deal was activated (rather than when it was submitted or updated).
  • 53329
    YanBz
    admin
    Posted by YanBz on February 22, 2010
    [reply] 13 0
    I will join midget in her assertion that although submitting deals helps, you don't have to do it to win the monthly contest. We already award the submitters daily, including the bonus prize for heavy submitters. The monthly contest gives other Buxr members the opportunity to win.

    I would also like to highlight an interesting fact. If you look closely at this month's stats, excluding deals, mooncow728 has given others more points with his/her topic/comment votes that he/she has gained back by voting or commenting.
      53332
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 22, 2010
      [reply] 9 0
      Well said -- something we probably did not think about - that to gain you gotta give double

      cool - thumbs up to mooncow Cool

      Also adding to what Yan said -- a monthly contest winner wins only the MC prize. A person posting deals has a chance of adding to that and winning more.
    • 53335
    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on February 22, 2010
      [reply] 9 0
      to gain you gotta give double


      Not just that. Even if you add the points mooncow728 gained by commenting he/she still comes negative (overall gave others more than gained back). Here are the details (based on the numbers in the jack69darin topic):

      gained from topics - 114 (57 * 2)
      gained from comments - 320 (160 * 2)
      gained from votes - 554
      gained total - 988
      gave to others via votes - 1108 (554 * 2)
    • 53423
    • mooncow728
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      Posted by mooncow728 on February 22, 2010
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      Thanks Yan for pointing that out. I hate to be the topic for discussion especially when it's negative. I vote on things that I think are legitimate deals and hope that by voting people are encouraged to post more. I have no idea how much money this site has saved me but I love it. Heck it's even more awesome that I could potentially win money just for trying to save. I haven't won much yet but that's not why I come here. I hope people don't get the wrong idea about me based on this topic and your comment helps alot. So thanks again.
  • 53364
    MrCheap
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    Posted by MrCheap on February 22, 2010
    [reply] 10 0
    This is not a victory yet. Wink

    MoonCow and Midget are only 14 points apart.
      53422
    • mooncow728
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      Posted by mooncow728 on February 22, 2010
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      Yep exactly like I said. I didn't expect to stay in first and honestly thought someone would have passed me by now. Like you said though Midget is only a few points behind at the moment and will probably pass me by the end of the day.
  • 53432
    Solstice
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    Posted by Solstice on February 22, 2010
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    I want to add something else here, as the ability to see names has actually helped me locate duplicates in the past. Some members attempt to submit the same offer for coupons or freebies a few months later, and so I tend to check their stuff more frequently if it seems even slightly familiar.
  • 53438
    Solstice
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    Posted by Solstice on February 22, 2010
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    On a similar note. I do a lot of edits, and some members tend to be more accurate than others. Knowing the name of the poster can often give a heads up as to whether a deal needs to be verified and/or checked for accuracy. Sometimes knowing the poster can even indicate which parts of the deal to verify, as they tend to be inaccurate in the same ways consistently.
  • 53513
    orangearrows
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    Posted by orangearrows on February 23, 2010
    [reply] 3 0
    Hiding the names will do a lot of good to BUXR and deals will be judged simply as deals only.

    amen
      53518
    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on February 23, 2010
      [reply] 8 0
      I agree with Solstice on the part that hiding names is futile because there will be many clues that will give up the submitter. Hiding names will keep the submitters silent when we want them to answer questions or fixing problems with the deal (if any). Buxr has always been about transparency and this will go against this principle.
  • 53515
    orangearrows
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    Posted by orangearrows on February 23, 2010
    [reply] 4 0
    Also when giving out the bonus prize (deal of the day) the number of votes compiled for power users should be collected off 15 deals ( the upper limit for non-power users) they submit and not ALL their deals ( in case they have more than 15) . That would be fair
      53517
    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on February 23, 2010
      [reply] 5 0
      Orange, some members have as few as 5 deals limit and the default is 10. I increased your limit to 15 since you seem to be doing a decent job lately.
    • 53524
    • orangearrows
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      Posted by orangearrows on February 23, 2010
      [reply] 3 0
      Thank you --- most appreciated Big Grin
  • 53519
    YanBz
    admin
    Posted by YanBz on February 23, 2010
    [reply] 11 0
    To wrap this discussion up, it is not possible to just "turn off" the names as a one month experiment (as JackBauer suggested). The names are recorded on too many pages (deals, history, activity, contests, etc) and it will take a major effort to hide them all. Considering the questionable value, I am not willing to dodge the bullet.
  • 53525
    orangearrows
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    Posted by orangearrows on February 23, 2010
    [reply] 4 0
    Case closed
  • 53702
    jack69darin
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    Posted by jack69darin on February 24, 2010
    [reply] 11 0
    Sorry I've been on vacation for 4 days. Mooncow728, I didn't mean anything negative by this post. It was meant to stimulate conversation, that maybe the monthly contest should change somehow. I love the deals, and do post, and vote. I just meant that I don't have time to read every comment, and topic and vote.
      53720
    • mooncow728
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      Posted by mooncow728 on February 25, 2010
      [reply] 7 0
      Alright well thanks for saying that. I was starting to think that I had made you angry and have no intentions of that. I just don't find very good deals that I can share so I don't see the point of clouding up buxr with loads of crap. I have found a lot of people share interesting tips and sometimes even deals in the comments though so I have started reading them. I don't have a lot of time myself but I am a stay at home mom so I understand what you mean.
    • 53751
    • equipurple
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      Posted by equipurple on February 25, 2010
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      Have to take issue with you there, mooncow. The point of Buxr is not to post deals that are attractive to the couple dozen of us hard core crazies, but to post deals. Buxr gets tens if not hundreds of thousands of visitors per month. So while the deals you find may be crap from the point of view of us here, they are important to buxr to get people here, to keep people here, and frankly to make money for buxr so we can keep getting daily and monthly prizes and cool t-shirts and mousepads.
      Your "crap" deals may not win you cash, but they keep buxr strong. So lower your crap threshold, mooncow! (and everyone else with a high crap threshold!)
    • 53823
    • mooncow728
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      Posted by mooncow728 on February 26, 2010
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      Well I agree with you there but the things I shop for are typically on Buxr as deals already. So by posting something that is the same as something else but a worse price doesn't benefit anyway. The best deals I normally find have to do with in-store deals (mostly clearance) or sales at local stores that with added coupons lead to being next to nothing. I occasionally do post deals that I find on here but only things that I think could actually benefit the community. If you look at my records, I have only won 2 times but have posted 83 deals and I've been here around 9 months. So don't worry if I see anything worth while it will come here. Big Grin
  • 53869
    equipurple
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    Posted by equipurple on February 26, 2010
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    Here is a contest change suggestion that I thought of while feeding the horses this morning. I have not begun to think about the repercussions, but I will let you all repercuss.

    Add 1 point to the monthly totals for each positive vote on a deal submitted.

    You get points when someone votes up your comment or topic, but not when someone votes up your deal. Fair to "double point" best deals of day? Probably not. Maybe you get 20 points or vote total, whichever is higher?
      54216
    • MrCheap
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      Posted by MrCheap on March 1, 2010
      [reply] 9 0
      I would remove any points you get when you vote up someones comment or topic. Any votes a member gains with a comment should be due to sincere interest in the information they provide, not because of someone's monetary incentive
  • 54163
    equipurple
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    Posted by equipurple on March 1, 2010
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    Congrats to mooncow on her first shiny new Buxr Bling!
      54247
    • mooncow728
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      Posted by mooncow728 on March 1, 2010
      [reply] 8 0
      Thanks. Probably will be the first and only lol.
    • 54260
    • WhattaDealBlog
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      Posted by WhattaDealBlog on March 1, 2010
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      But its only silver Mr Green
    • 54311
    • mooncow728
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      Posted by mooncow728 on March 1, 2010
      [reply] 5 0
      Who cares. I'm a redneck, I like shiny things LMAO!

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