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A Few Weird Things About Buxr

submitted on February 25, 2009 by veggiemonkey in "Buxr Website / Contests"
1) If a coupon is for 1-99% off, then it gets a $10 reward if it wins. If it's for %100 off, then it gets $5 if it wins.

2) The scoring for the voting contest should have a cut-off after X number of hours, otherwise I think there are a lot of people that wait and vote on the most popular deals for the sake of voting on them. Maybe it would be better if only the first 5 or 10 people that voted for the "best deal of the day" were awarded points.

3)A member is not rewarded for choosing their deals carefully. Someone that blankets the site with deals is bringing down the quality of the site. Maybe each member should be limited to submitting 5-10 deals a day.

4)If a member gets more than one of the most popular deals in a day, then the member should be eligible for more than one prize in a day.
Just an FYI note, vinhdanh was double awarded on February 13 thus there is a discrepancy in the score: one of the vinhdanh's daily winners didn't score +5 points.

Maybe, it's just the points. I'm confused about that.
 

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  • 16957
    YanBz
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    Posted by YanBz on February 25, 2009
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    Here are my answers, I hope it helps.

    1. A coupon gets $10 prize if it can be used online. Printable coupons w/o online code will be awarded $5. This should be in the contest rules. Reason? We give a higher prize for the deals that we can monetize. Freebies and printable coupons make us no profit whatsoever

    2. This is a good idea and I am totally for it but I am afraid it will make the contests even more complicated

    3. The quantity doesn't give you any advantage on Buxr. It is the votes that matter. You could be submitting ten's of deals but not gaining enough votes on any single deal and therefore not receiving any award

    4. We have a limited number of prizes to give away and we want other members to have a chance at it. Vinhdanh was double awarded by mistake and the points were subtracted
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    Solstice
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    Posted by Solstice on February 25, 2009 [reply] 1 1
    #2 Might lead to indiscriminate voting.
    i.e. People just rushing to be in the first 5-10 to vote on everything to guarantee they get the points, thus a new problem from an opposite direction.
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    • MrCheap
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      Posted by MrCheap on February 25, 2009 [reply] 0 0
      Solstice, your avatar looks just like a professor (which you are) Wink
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    • veggiemonkey
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      Posted by veggiemonkey on February 26, 2009
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      I meant each member could only vote on 5-10 items a day. That way they'd have to be more careful with what they chose.
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    MrCheap
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    Posted by MrCheap on February 25, 2009
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    Not sure #2 is a good idea. I usually come to Buxr once or twice to vote for all the deals that come during the day. With this new rule I will have to come more often and if I can't then I lose because I will miss on points
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    • MikeG
      learner
      Posted by MikeG on February 26, 2009
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      What if we hid the vote totals until the end of the contest?
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    • veggiemonkey
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      Posted by veggiemonkey on February 26, 2009
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      Great idea, MikeG.
  • 17012
    equipurple
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    Posted by equipurple on February 26, 2009 [reply] 0 0
    There is an innate rub between the contest nature of the site and the usability nature of the site. For hardcore dealhunters and contest aspirants, the point of the site is to submit many deals, hope for votes on your deals, and vote on good deals (to get points and cash).
    For real shoppers and casual dealhunters, the benefit of the site is a good listing of deals with votes and comments from the, ummm, "experts."
    Saturation of deal submission, a benefit for group one, has mixed results for group two. A casual browser may be overwhelmed and leave. However, the real shopper from group two may have landed from a search result and find the product he or she wanted, so saturation makes it more likely for shoppers to end up here. In addition, the quality tag and search tools benefit shoppers.
    Mike's idea of hiding votes may be a good idea for group one to prevent lurking and leeching for points (lowest hanging fruit). However, hiding votes is a detriment to the casual browser, as one may be more tempted to click on and buy a deal that has been highly rated by the "experts."
    At this point, I would think that the votes and submissions are necessary to stay visible and unlimited, as they drive the economic engine of the site. As heavy users, we could be more discriminate in our votes and voting patterns if we believe that piling on is a detriment to the site for our own economic gain.
    As a side issue, I think that negative votes are too infrequently used. If a deal submission has a better price at a competitor, kick it. If a deal submission has drawbacks (high shipping, long processing, extra purchase requirements, etc), kick it. If we are indeed "experts," then the true value of our votes--for and against--should have necessary influence on the purchase decision of any visitor. <>

    It would be interesting (to me at least, with my warped analysis world view) to see some data. For example, on a highly rated deals, what is the relationship of votes to clickthroughs or even purchases? What is the ratio for heavy voters of votes given to clickthroughs?
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    • MikeG
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      Posted by MikeG on February 26, 2009
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      Thanks for this thoughtful post equipurple. Yan and I have spoke ad nauseam about the contest and how to incent voters to Make the "right" choices. The problem is that it is human nature to act in your own self interest. It's hard to incent people with money for submitting winning deals, and then expect them to vote for their competitors.

      Anyway, I think when you talk about buying decisions, the votes are somewhat good indicators but they far from perfect or unbiased. We currently do not make enough referral sales to gauge if highly rated deals and clickthroughs/purchases are related.

      What if we used a different metric not visible to the visitors to pick winners for the contest. Perhaps hidden clickthrough and purchase data? What do you think?
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    • veggiemonkey
      beginner
      Posted by veggiemonkey on February 26, 2009
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      That metric might be troublesome, since a deal may sound good at first and then turn out to be awful. If you hid the votes they could still be sorted by popularity/clickthroughs for those that are deal-hunting.

      My personal rule-of-thumb is to vote for the offers that I deem good enough to use myself or that beat/match a deal that I've previously used.
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    • YanBz
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      Posted by YanBz on February 26, 2009
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      Wow! Great analysis, equipurple!

      First, I don't support hiding votes because not only shoppers suffer but we also remove the important element of interactivity votes bring to our community. One member votes a deal up, another member wants to respond, etc. Hiding votes will certainly mean less participation and less comments. I would hate to see that happen.

      Second, I do notice that highly voted deals bring more page views and clicks (especially with the new home page design). Shoppers do pay attention to the votes, which is the natural thing. We don't have enough sales data to track the relationship between votes and sales but I am sure there is one. Delaying votes (hiding them) would clearly hurt shoppers. What is the point to find that a deal is hot after it expires 24 hours later when the votes become visible (which is often the case with good deals)?

      Third, I am a pragmatic person and I don't think motivational speeches can change human nature. I am with Mike on this, personal monetary interests currently go in conflict with the nature of the contests. I think we can fix the situation by either bringing more independent voters (who participate just for the sake of it) or by changing the nature of the contest in such way so the members don't compete against each other but rather strive to reach a common goal. The first solution will hopefully come over time as we build the community. I don't have a clear idea regarding the second solution but I am sure it is possible. Chime in if you have any thoughts
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    • MikeG
      learner
      Posted by MikeG on February 26, 2009
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      I shouldn't keep bringing back "hiding the votes" since I know it's not a viable solution. For some reason this my fallback logic.

      Yan hit the nail on the head with this one. If there was way to reward users and make the contest less member vs member, then I think we would have even more success. Any ideas would be great!
  • 17214
    Sleven
    learner
    Posted by Sleven on February 28, 2009
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    Hey, I had an idea, how about not letting anyone see who posted the deal until the voting period was over. That way there would be no bias voting!
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    • YanBz
      admin
      Posted by YanBz on February 28, 2009
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      This is something I would never want to do. If you post a deal you should be able to stand by it. If you can't then it is really your problem to fix.
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    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on February 28, 2009 [reply] 1 1
      Yan, I think that is quite possibly the most straightforward thing I've ever seen you state. Big Grin
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    Sleven
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    Posted by Sleven on February 28, 2009
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    I just think that there has been some "bias" voting lately.
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    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on March 2, 2009
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      Weirdness is how you keep changing names. First "Bionicle", then "Sleven", now what's the alias?
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    • Solstice
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      Posted by Solstice on March 2, 2009
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      No reply needed, as I've already deduced your new alias. However, congrats for realizing that you need to change your avatar image in conjunction with your member name to hide better.

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